DNJournal.com:
As successful brokers you have all reached a level that
many others aspire to. What personal and
business
traits do you think have contributed to your success in
the field?
Sedo's
Negar Hajikhani
2013 T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Domain Broker
of the Year Award Winner |
Negar: I think my varied background
and international experience are my biggest
strengths and have contributed most to my success
as a broker. I studied International Business
Management with a special focus on Asian Pacific
Management. I know how vital it is to value
cultural diversity in order to succeed in an
international market. I truly enjoy communicating
between different countries and cultures. I was
born in Iran, grew up in Germany, and I spent
large parts of my studies in China (I now speak
four languages fluently). When interacting with
clients, I look to develop personal relationships.
I don’t look for the hard sell, but rather
listen to my clients and try to achieve their
domain needs. I am told that I have a quirky and
endearing German accent when speaking any of these
languages, which clients find intriguing.
Dave: I like to think that my daily work ethic demonstrates
to clients that I am driven to succeed,
persistent, diligent, persuasive, trust worthy,
loyal and obedient. I bring 35 years of high level
Fortune 500 Marketing, Strategic Planning and
Management Consulting to the table. This coupled
with extensive domain brokerage experience since
1999 enables me to be a top producer and contender
for the larger and more complex deals. I
push myself all of the time. I always have. I
recently set a goal to broker at least $20 million
per year for five years straight. It’s an
aggressive goal, but I figure that since most of
my engagements are referrals these numbers are
doable if I remain focused on delivering the needs
of my clients. |
Brian:
I would point towards a mixture of luck,
resourcefulness, and persistence--bordering on
stubbornness. But I certainly have to say luck has been
a big contributor to where I am now. Actually, I first
came to Germany to play American Football after turning
down a job offer from Morgan Stanley. A lot of
people in my close circles probably thought I was crazy,
but I had a plan the entire time and I was stubborn
enough to ignore the naysayers, do what I thought was
right, and come out happier in the end. After a
whirlwind of events I parlayed football in Germany to
another job in Belgium that took me to projects in
Africa, Russia, and the Caribbean. I got lucky to
meet some of the right people and that brought me full
circle to Sedo. I encountered numerous challenges along
the way and I have been able to incorporate experience
from all walks of life into who I am now and my work as
a domain broker.
DNJournal.com:
In addition to have a lot of top brokers now, Sedo was
the place where many brokers now working elsewhere got
their start. What has made the company such a
productive training ground for domain brokers?
Negar: I have had the luxury
to be a part of a company that has been an active
participant in the evolution of the domain industry.
Sedo was established more than 13 years ago and I have
been with the company now for almost five years.
There’s a great sense of teamwork at Sedo; we all work
great together and learn a lot from each other. As the
largest brokerage in the industry, Sedo is a natural
starting point for prospective domain purchasers, so as
employees, we are fortunate to benefit from being a
first industry touch-point for many clients. Being
involved in big deals is a great experience for some of
our younger brokers to learn from our veterans and see
how deals materialize. In addition to having an
excellent team of brokers that shares thoughts, ideas
and experiences, Sedo's expertise extends to all areas
of domain monetization. Our brokers collaborate with
colleagues in all aspects of the business, which gives
us increased understanding of the industry and of our
client’s needs.
Dave:
We put brokers through extensive training for a
few months when they come on board. They are
taught how to valuate domains, find domains,
negotiate on behalf of clients, and close deals. They
are provided with legal and operational training
plus are expected to know how our internal
databases and related tools work. They
typically spend some time mirroring a customer
service rep, account manager, product manager, and
domain transfer agent. Then they work closely
with a Senior Broker for nuts and bolts training
as they move into their own transactions.
Sedo has 2
million customers and does millions of dollars in
escrow and transfer monthly. Brokers have the
tools to perform for their clients and before you
know it the new brokers are regularly closing
deals and plenty of them. They get ongoing
feedback from within and are tasked to improve and
grow.
Brian:
Again, I think this is a mix of a few factors. One,
the brand name certainly helps, particularly when
you are communicating to end-users, but I think it
also contributes to attracting talent to the
industry. Two, there is a wealth of
experience and resources floating around the
company. So when I have an issue or need to bounce
an idea off someone else it’s great to be speak
to Frank (Tillmanns), Stephan (Hauf), or Marc (Stepken),
as well Kathy (Nielsen) also has a lot of great
experience and insight. And if there is a language
issue I am never more than a few minutes away from
being able to talk to someone and solve it. If
you couple that in with a large database of |
Sedo's
Dave Evanson
2012 T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Domain Broker
of the Year Award Winner
|
information and our ability to offer a one-stop shop
solution, I think that we are in a good place to
foster talent. |
DNJournal.com: Brokers
in other fields are usually dealing with assets that
have widely known and accepted value points (as in
traditional real estate where there are many comp sales
in the immediate neighborhood that establish values).
With domain, value is often in the eye of the eye of the
beholder and buyers and sellers seldom see eye to eye.
Does that make domains a much harder asset to broker
than other assets?
Negar:
It is not necessarily harder, but I agree there
are unique challenges for domain brokers. You
definitely do need an excellent understanding of the
industry in order to successfully sell domain names. One
of the advantages we have at Sedo is that we are the
largest domain marketplace and process more than 40,000
sales a year. This means that although domain sales
don't have the recognition that traditional real estate
does, we are able to draw upon a large amount of
historical data to help facilitate a sale. The fact that
Sedo is one of the longest established players in the
market means that we are able to demonstrate objective
valuations to buyers and sellers, and a level of trust
already exists with our clients.
Dave:
Domain valuation continues to be one of the toughest
aspects of domain brokerage. Not only is it
somewhat subjective but it is also often driven by the
motivations and expectations of the buyer and/or seller.
The valuation exercise varies greatly when working with
people who have sophistication around domains vs. those
that are inexperienced or even kind of clueless. Further,
while I focus on end user sales there are typically
retail and wholesale (i.e., domain investor) valuations
for domains. Fairly often one side in a deal is
thinking retail pricing and the other side wholesale. Sometimes
buyers and sellers are so far apart it takes time and
work to get them on the same page or planet. This
makes completing deals more challenging because you
can’t easily point to comps since many deals
(especially higher priced deals) are kept confidential
and the published data points can be several years
apart.
Sedo's
Brian Michitti
2013 T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Domain
Broker of the Year Nominee |
Brian: I think that the domain industry is an animal all to
itself. So while there are some comparable
factors to other industries, in the end the domain
industry and the accompanying brokerage has a lot
of factors that make it very unique, and make it
difficult to compare. For example, the
real-estate industry is a common comparison.
However, the real-estate industry has been around
much longer so it offers more credibility to an
outsider as it is easier to research, compare
prices, and look at alternatives. It offers
more infrastructure in terms of creating deals,
and a market with less variability from comparable
assets. Domains and real-estate are not an
apples-to-apples comparison because real-estate
normally involves a number of other factors and
parties that are outside of the broker’s
control, other than just seller-broker-buyer (i.e.
Banks, interest rates). I have trouble finding a
fair comparison because the domain industry is the
only place where you have individuals making deals
with large end-user clients on a daily basis. It
is the only place that you can have a buyer with a
budget in the low five-figures turn in to a
seven-figure budget in a matter of weeks. So to
me, it is not easier or tougher, it is a game all
unto its own. For me personally it is like
comparing Football and Rugby, and asking which is
tougher. The balls look similar, men tackle
each other, and you are trying to score a
touchdown---but that’s where the similarities
end. After that, all of the variables start
to make the games completely different. |
DNJournal.com:
You’ve been involved in many important transactions,
do you have a favorite among those and if so why?
Negar: After almost five years with Sedo and lots of
interesting deals it is tough to choose a single one
over all the others. What I have found most interesting
over the years is working along the entire spectrum of
clients – from young start-up companies all the way to
large international corporations. It is fascinating to
help start-up companies find the perfect domain name
that communicates their brand new ideas to the world and
helps them grow. Large corporations, on the other hand,
already have their own domain name, but are often
looking to add more variety to their product line and
web presentation. Guiding them through this intricate
process can be a very interesting and rewarding
experience. My favorite challenge is usually negotiating
deals between different countries in a different
language. For example, the sales of 606.com and
yiwanfuweng.com (the Chinese version of billionaire.com),
I had to negotiate from start to finish in Mandarin.
That was not always easy, but thanks to my international
business background and my work experience in China it
all worked out in the end. It also turned out to
be important to be aware of the symbolism of numbers,
words, and characters in different cultures, especially
when appraising the value of a foreign domain name.
Since “8” is a lucky number in China, and “28”
means “double luck”, the owner of the domain 28.com
is likely a very lucky person. Knowing all of these
hidden meanings and cultural differences makes these
kind of negotiations both hard and interesting at the
same time.
Dave: Usually the most recent transaction I complete is my
favorite. When I think about the most
interesting transaction I think back to last year
when I had four potential buyers bidding against
each other for a premium domain I was brokering
for the seller. We received one offer
after another in the low $xxx,xxx range and since
the seller was nervous the domain wouldn’t sell,
he wanted to make a deal immediately. Every time I
brought another higher offer I had to convince him
to keep negotiating rather than selling. The
name ultimately sold for close to $300,000, which
was well above seller’s expectations.
My first two
transactions shortly after joining Sedo three
years ago were favorites too. One was
Ringtones.com for $750,000 and the other was kept
confidential but it went for over one million
dollars.
Brian: It’s tough to pick a favorite one. I really
liked a Moneta.com because I met with the buyer
and seller in person and everybody walked away
happy. Just before that one I closed a very
large one (7-figures) and that was great because
of how complicated it was and how |
Dave
Evanson |
quickly we brought it together. But actually the
one that stands out to me the most is Donuts.co,
which I helped Donuts Inc. acquire. At the
time I was fairly new at Sedo and I remember
wondering what they were going to do with this
name. Little did I know that they were going
to go so heavy into the gTLD program and become a
brand name in the industry. |
DNJournal.com: In recent months we have
seen a nice surge in higher end sales. What is your take
on the state of the domain market today and where it may
be headed – particularly with respect to how the
impending arrival of hundreds of new gTLDs may affect
the aftermarket?
Negar: The domain market is very
healthy and sales are consistent. The arrival of new
gTLDs is going to help the aftermarket and bring in new
buyers. In general the economy has improved and consumer
confidence is increasing. I am also very excited about
our new gTLD services as it generates many new
opportunities for our industry. I do expect the market
to become tougher after that and there are some clouds
on the horizon due to the onward march of technology:
Increased use of smartphones and tablets using apps to
directly connect businesses to consumers and also search
engine adoption of Natural Language Processing (NLP) is
advancing to the point where they understand the full
meaning of phrases and can more effectively match their
customers to websites or apps. Less confusion in
the search space could also reduce the demand for
domains as smaller operators are pushed out internet
commerce in particular. But
these are just some bumps in the road that we’ll have
to navigate.
Sedo's Negar Hajikhani (4th from left)
accepting the Broker of the Year Award
(the first female to win the honor). - See more at:
http://www.dnjournal.com/cover/2013/november-december.htm#sthash.awVyd6E4.dpuf
Sedo's Negar Hajikhani (4th from left)
accepting the Broker of the Year Award
(the first female to win the honor). - See more at:
http://www.dnjournal.com/cover/2013/november-december.htm#sthash.awVyd6E4.dpuf
Sedo's Negar Hajikhani (4th from left)
accepting the Broker of the Year Award
(the first female to win the honor). - See more at:
http://www.dnjournal.com/cover/2013/november-december.htm#sthash.awVyd6E4.dpuf
Sedo's Negar Hajikhani (4th from left)
accepting the Broker of the Year Award
(the first female to win the honor). - See more at:
http://www.dnjournal.com/cover/2013/november-december.htm#sthash.awVyd6E4.dpuf
Sedo's
Negar Hajikhani (4th from left) accepting the
2013
T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Broker of the Year Award (the
first female to win the award).
Dave:
There are many positive indicators for the domain market
today. I think it will continue to trend upward
with very large sums of money flowing into the industry
from pockets of wealth around the globe. I see
.com, in particular, and some other current extensions
remaining strong but I also expect to see some new
extensions emerge over the next several years. I
know Sedo has been actively gearing up to provide a
broad array of services in and around the new gTLDs
space, which will certainly mark a new chapter in our
industry and create new opportunities.
Brian:
This is a complicated question that I could spend
a long time answering, but I’ll do my best to
keep it concise. I think there are a number of
factors that relate to the surge in sales, and it
all centers around a decreasing amount
uncertainty. If we look at it from a
Macroeconomic standpoint, the world economy seems
to have stabilized and conversations of potential
growth |
are
in the air, which I believe is a contributing
factor to people being more willing to spend
higher amounts. Two years ago there were a
lot more questions regarding the economy floating
around than there are right now---and perhaps
it’s a good sign we are not out of the dark
quite yet. On a micro level, I think that there
were a lot of questions about the effect of new
gTLDs keeping
a lot of potential players on the sideline.
They did not want to make a move because of
the opinions and hyperbole that was being thrown
around and the just needed time to sort out their
own opinions and create a game plan to go forward.
Regardless of your personal opinion of what
the outcome of the new gTLDs will be, a lot of
others have made up their mind to a point that
they feel confident enough to make some kind of
move. That’s important because as the
smoke is clearing people are able to make a
decision, which means they are getting back in the
game. Throw in a robust Chinese aftermarket
that has been contributing to some nice sales and
you have a steady market with some apparent
surges. |
Image
from Bigstock |
Since it’s
probably a bit too complicated to predict the
world-economy’s domino effects on the domain market, I
will assume it as a constant. If that stays
true I believe we are going to see a continued robust
secondary market fueled by a lot of new players and
awareness brought to the industry from the press
surrounding the gTLDs. In the long-term I believe
there will be a few new extensions that will thrive and
extensions like .net and .info will struggle.
Brandable ccTLDs, like .tv, .me, and .it will benefit
from the new gTLDs. But for the next 5+ years, .com will
continue to be the king. |